Joe Bielecki: I like to start out by defining terms, and I think it would be a good place to start with kind of differentiating a tenant’s union from a labor union. I think a lot more people are probably familiar with labor unions, where a bunch of employees get together, and they collectively bargain for better pay, kinder hours, safety, et cetera. Obviously tenants might all be living in the same building or same complex or whatever, but they’re not employees. So what makes a tenants union different from a labor union?
Grace Cole: Yeah, that’s a great question. with a tenant union, like you said, it might be people who are in the same building, have the same landlord or property management company, but they probably have some shared experiences which have caused them to want to organize similarly to a labor union. The one thing with labor unions is that we have national labor laws, whereas we only have locally, we have some housing law that’s national, but most of it is state by state and city by city. So there’s a lot less protections nationally for tenants. So tenants get to organize on the things that specifically concern them, be it, pest issues, it refusal to do repairs, be it really high raises in rent after every lease period. Those are the things that we’re going to see tenants organizing around, rather than employees who are organizing around the issues that you mentioned.
JB: Okay. So within Grand Rapids, how are things for tenants?…